. >> he went to johnson and johnson. >> kathleen weldon and jim barnett. >> she went to lobby for biogen, a biotech company. he left to lobby for hoffman-laroche. >> they did a marvelous job for this house and we owe them a debt. thank you all. >> we owe them all right. wow. yeah, i mean, this happens -- it happens with every bill. i mean, i think -- what was striking about that is congressman tauzin actually sort of -- if we sent a resume out on all of their behalf, by sort of doing a roll call in his remarks. but look, i mean, that -- the steve kroft piece was stunning in that i think he caught tauzin just, oddly flat-footed. i mean, i think we've seen in reading his face, he seemed almost flat-footed that the question would be asked. i mean, no one is really going to burn any bridges. i mean, it's like one big bridge, in some ways. and look jack abramoff is a name that actually has not come up here. he's the picture of modern disgrace in washington, right? the disgraced lobbyist. one of the many books i read in preparing this book was his memoir, which he wrote, i think, largely i don